republican strength for when you have to answer to congress. >> that had to be one of the best skits i've ever seen. that's all the time we have left this evening. don't forget to start each morning the regime's goal. 80%. >> the way to look at that figure. of say 10 who go on the system roughly two won't get through. to accept 20% failure rate. >> but, again, the measure

will be how many more people can sign up. >> it's beyond the web site. when the web site gets fixed, i think americans are going to be shocked to see there is still a problem. >> they will have to slog it through and fix the web site. >> we will not have a perfect web site as is the case with all complex web sites. >> imagine if a private sector business tried to get away with that. but the regime wants us to sing their praises. over a failure rate that's only 20%. >> i think they are going to have to hold somebody accountable for the botched rollout and the web site not working. >> what does it take for someone to get fired by this administration? >> i think if this were to happen in the private sector, somebody would have probably already lost their job. >> president obama's bff's robert gibbs says heads should roll. whose head? who should get fired. republican senator mike leach. nice to see you. >> thank you. >> robert gibbs thinks head

should symbolically roll. >> interesting. also interesting to note in this administration about the only ones who do get fired are those who dare to publicly criticize the administration. >> you are talking to the insurance commissioner in washington, d.c. wild idea fix. out the door. fired. >> that's right. much more important question rather than who should get fired and extract a pound of flesh. help people who have been harmed by obama care. people who have lost their jobs or healthcare because of this law. that's where we ought to be focused. >> what do you make of the 80% figure? is that low expectations so that if the white house fixes it so that we are up to 8 a% that you can declare victory on november 30th? or are they drawing another lynn in the sand giving more trouble because we have such high expectations. they told us it would be fixed by november 30th. are they now telling us 80% are they telling us to expect that that's

realistic. >> setting the expectation really, really low. i think they are deliberately doing something they are relatively confident they can achieve. even if they hit that 80% mark. still as you point out that's still a c. still ignores the fact that the law is under if mentally flawed. in other words, for years, many of us have been looking at this law and saying this thing is headed off a cliff. no matter how well the train is running, as it heads towards the cliff. if you know it's going to go off the cliff at some point, that's the probable we ought to be focused on. >> i fully expect the web site to be up and running at some point. it may be november 30th or december 30th and go through all sorts of hardships. one thing i do not understand is how are we funding this? where are we getting the money? i know there are little taxes here and little taxes there. if the healthy young people don't come in droves, is this thing going to collapse? >> yes. it will collapse and i think it is destined for collapse and i think most people in the administration acknowledge it's going to collapse. the difference is that a lot of people within the

administration and people like harry reid have acknowledged that if but when it does collapse, they hope that we will quickly move towards a single payer healthcare system. that's one of the many problems with this law is that it was built to fail it was built to fail knowing that it would fail and as it failed it would harm many millions of americans. hard-working americans who would lose their jobs and lose their healthcare. >> so what is the solution? i know that you don't like obamacare. i know you want to repeal it but in recognition of where we are, and how we try to inflict the least amount of pain on americans and especially -- i mean, the ones i'm really worried with are the ones who either don't have the or who are sick. >> he yes. i think there are ways that we can deal with those. >> how? >> we have got to suspend obamacare in its entirety. i don't think we can just start part of it. i don't think the president has authority. constitutionally or statutorily to just suspend one part of the law. i think we have got to suspend the whole law and go back to congress and allow congress to introduce additional ideas. new ideas. >> what -- i mean, give the

people, you know, some idea of what there is out there. you know, what the american people hear, they either hate obamacare or love obamacare. one thing we know is that republicans don't like it and want to repeal it. if there were no obamacare, you know, what could you do? what could you pass? how could you make it better for the american people? >> first of all, if there were no obamacare at you will, the discussion might be different than it is today. we are facing obamacare so we have got to deal with where to go from that. there are republican proposals. proposals that haven't yet gotten a lot of attention but are going to start getting a lot of attention soon. one was released recently by the republican study in the house of representatives. it calls for a system of tax credits that would enable americans to buy health insurance with some government assistance. but it would leave the decision-making power in the hands of the american people rather than in the hands of government bureaucrats. >> when you hear about tax credits and subsidies first of all i think it goes to the american people. then what i realize it is a guaranteed payment to the insurance companies. isn't that what he they're? >> yes, perhaps.

but, again, we have to start not with the government we wish we had but the government we, in fact, have. and with obamacare on the table. that looks like a much better alternative to turn to something like that rather than this. allowing the american people to use their own decision-making power to figure out where best to get their insurance. and it would also incorporate certain ideas regarding the portability of insurance. that you could buy insurance across state lines, that you could carry it from one state to another as you moved. and you could carry it from one job to another. >> how are the insurance companies doing these days? are they doing pretty well? >> i think they are pulling their hair out right now. >> not the chaos but financially? >> financially i think they are doing well. and i think that they expected to do well under obamacare. and that's why a the lo of them either sat quietly or, in some cases, sat loudly cheerleading from the sidelines as this law was being debated. >> the reason i ask is because as i look deeper and deeper in this bill. it's rather complex. i see certain advantages to the insurance companies.

i mean that they are -- if you look at each the credits. is that they are guaranteed their payment. and when i practiced law if i the government guaranteeing my payment that's not bad. it's a good deal. >> it's a good deal for them. that's why a lot of them were cheering from the sidelines, encouraging congress to pass. this i think a lot of them have buyer's remorse now that they are seeing that the law isn't what it was sold as and the law is being modified again and again and again by a president who has no statutory authority to revise acts of congress. and he has no constitutional authority to do that either. >> what would you like the president to do at this point? i mean, here is the law. he can't repeal it himself, right? >> he can't repeal it himself. what i would like the president to do is to acknowledge what the american people are already seeing which is that in this law is not ready. this law was ill conceived in the outset and this law should be suspended. he should go to congress and ask congress to suspend it for at least a year while congress figures out a way forward. >> the house will do that and the senate?

>> if the president asks them to do it. i believe the senate would comply. >> well, senator harry reid, he certainly is a champion of obamacare. >> he is the champion of obamacare. and the democrats in the senate, including harry reid have generally tended to do what the president has asked. especially with regard to obama care. for that reason if he asks for it i think they would do it. >> it does seem that there are some democratic senators who are starting to feel a little raw around the edges like senator landrieu of louisiana and senator of new york gillibrand seems unhappy too and shaheen. a cup of them. >> there they are thought alone. feeling pressure from constituents and getting calls from constituents every day saying please, help me, i'm hurting under this law. i have lost my job or losing my health insurance. >> the washington, d.c. insurance commissioner gets fired. we talked about that a second ago. wait until you find out when and why he got fired. we're curious what you think about his firing after you hear the facts. "on the record" investigates that's next.

>> we have a special quiz for you. what happens if you are an insurance commissioner, you don't think the president's fix for those canceled policies is a good idea, and you say it or you publish it online? "the washington post" reporter erin davis is here. he will tell you what happened to the insurance

commissioner. >> thank you. >> nice to see you. what happened what his name. >> william white. president obama said to quell some of this dissent we will let everyone who has lost their insurance keep it for another year. three or four hours went by and he began to met with deputies and came out with a statement saying i don't think that's the right plan. that will undermine everything we have been doing in d.c. for three years. we would like to hold the course, probably owe -- he left himself a little bit of willing wiggle room opposed the idea of backtracking and things got worse. >> he dissented by putting on the public web site for the district of colombia. >> yes. >> did he notify the mayor? >> here is the rub. he put the statement out, sent it out to his staff and put it up on the web site and sounds more like a courtesy cc to the mayor's office. his stance is i'm the regulator. i talk to the insurance industry. i try to calm the market. and so he put out this statement and told the

mayor. but, didn't give him very much warning. in fact, was out before there was any response from the mayor's office. >> so, how soon after did he hear from the mayor's office? >> about 20 minutes later he got a call from the mayor's chief of staff. >> saying? >> saying why did you put this statement out here? pretty intense exchange went on for about five hours behind the scenes. at 11:00 that night, he sent out an apology saying, you know, i didn't realize this was going to be such a political hot potato. next day goes to work and about 4:00 is called in the deputy mayor's office and is told that he is fired. >> so the mayor didn't do it himself. >> he didn't do it himself. >> probably -- i assume it came from the mayor, right? >> all expectations are that it came from the mayor. >> is there any indication the mayor has any relationship with the white house or got a phone call? do you see any fingerprints whatsoever on this by the white house? >> that's kind of been -- that's kind of been the question we have been trying to chase this story so hard

because that would be where your mind would naturally go. but there is no evidence of that so far. there is really just an issue where someone didn't get to go through the proper channels as best we he can tell. and i think -- >> -- but he went through the proper shams. it's his authority put out a statement. it's just that the mayor didn't like what he said, right? >> true. >> so the mayor fired him? >> he does serve at the pleasure of the mayor or did serve at the pleasure of the mayor. >> so the mayor looks like -- has the mayor made many public statements like then like i acted rather or anything. >> he hasn't said anything. his first public appearance today i asked him why he fired him. he said no comment. it's a personnel matter. so that's a statement from the city. i think if there is a take away, perhaps, it is that it has put insurance commissioners in these states and the district in a very precarious position. the day of obama's announcement, the insurance

commissioner arkansas both came out and said we want to keep going full bore with obama's plan. >> i think it puts a rather chilling -- it's rather chilling to commissioners that if you don't carry the water for what the mayor or the governor or whatever, you could get the ax. i don't like that sort of reflection on it. aaron, i'm sure you are going to be digging more into this. come back if there is. >> thank you. >> thank you. you are not going to like this one. obamacare may be about to cost you more. and worse because president obama may be giving his friends a special deal and someone has it to pay for that special deal. and it looks like that someone just might be you. that's next.

georgia restaurant owners may be forced to pay for patriotism. owners of hot dog restaurant got fined because they put flags on their restaurant's roof top to honor the miller. the nine flags honor the country, state and all branches of the military. so what's the problem? the city code enforcer says the flags are considered science and signs violate a city ordinance. the owners were told they would have to pay the fine if they did not take down the flags. here is the good news now that the media is putting the news out there, the may. the ordinance is vegas and may not affly flags. no final decision yet. you be the judge. are town officials crazy for finding the restaurant for flying patriotic restaurant or are the rules the rules. go to gretawire.com now and vote in our poll. coming up. well, happened again, george zimmerman getting arrested, yes, that george zimmerman. he is now in the slammer right this minute. what is he accused of this time in the latest from florida coming up.

okay, it's no secrets, the labor unions went hog wild and helped get obamacare passed and now suddenly two plus years later they read it and they don't like it. oops? so now what? well, they want a special favor from president obama. and if they get it, someone is going to have to pay for it. that someone, that would be you. washington examiner chief political correspondent byron york joins us. okay. so where do we begin? what is it that the unions want? >> this is complicated. there is something called a reinsurance fee in obamacare. the deal is that insurance companies are going to have to start covering people with preexisting conditions, riskier cases than before. it's going to cost them more. what we didn't hear a lot about when obamacare was debated was that there was a provision in it which would pay these insurance companies billions of dollars to cover those

risks. >> so there was no risk to the insurance companies at all. >> exactly. >> can i tell you that is -- i mean, that's unbelievable. but anyway. >> so the way it's done is -- the government for three years 2014, 2015, 2016 will levy a fee on insurers. $63 a person. >> you pay 63. >> i pay 63. >> raise about $25 billion in this -- in 2014. now, the unions are called self-insured and self-administered plans. the unions, a lot of these big unions they don't go to an insurance company for their insurance they do it themselves. and they don't want to pay the $63 per person fee. and they have asked the white house for relief. it appears that the white house is preparing a rule that will specifically exempt these unions. these self-administered plans which will apply only to the unions, basically.

and they will get out of it. >> you know, it is stunning. i mean, this is absolutely stunning. here are the unions are the ones who are pushing this so much. and now they're asking for a special deal which will just add more money to the american people because if they're not paying $63, you know, a head. then we have got to pick up the -- here is the other thing which slays me. get out aer year. money we are collecting it's 12 billion in 2014, 8 billion in 2015. 5 billion in 102016. big bulk. if they get out the first year. makes it even worse. >> that's right. look, the unions you said in your intro, i mean, they did a lot to help pass obamacare. they did a lot to help elect president obama in 2008 and 2012. they want some favors. they got some in obamacare. remember that cadillac tax that's going to apply to insurance policies with a lot of features they got that delayed for a while. >> special favor.

they got it, nobody else did. >> they have already gotten some special favors. this would be a huge, huge favor. this is political there is no reason to do this at this point for these unions except get out the vote next time for the president, obviously the president can't run again. but totally political. and this extra cost goes on every other american. >> yeah. and it's interesting because, as far as the politics of it are concerned, a lot of republicans don't like this tax. they don't like anything about obamacare. they don't like this tax. a lot of other businesses don't really like it. they wish they didn't have to pay it. but, they dent want to see an exemption specifically for one group that is the president's supporters and the unions. >> so the rest of the america just picks up the freight because they are not as organized as the union to make sure they get out the vote so powerful as a voting block. >> that's it. >> so unfair. special note, obama

administration do not blame the american people, you, secretary sebelius, and the president are the very ones who picked november 30th as the new deadline that was of course after you blew the other deadline you specifically picked which was october 1st. so, what is happening next 12 days? you will find out. first, we just got this new information so you are going to get a sneak peek at what a top official is getting ready to tell congress tomorrow. of course, can you hash it out with us. do you think there is any chance healthcare.gov will be fixed by the end of the month. tweet or post on facebook #greta. i was having trouble getting out of bed in the morning because my back hurt so bad. the sleep number bed conforms to you. i wake up in the morning with no back pain. i can adjust it if i need to...if my back's a little more sore. and by the time i get up in the morning, i feel great! if you have back pain, toss and turn at night or wake up tired with no energy, the sleep number bed could be your solution. the sleep number bed's secret is it's air

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okay. let's all go off the record for a minute. look at this. take a close look. do you know what is going on? that is young african-american teenagers viciously and gratuitously attacking a random victim, a teacher in pittsburgh, pennsylvania. now, this violent act is

what the teens where this is happening laughingly call the knockout game. this is no game. it's a mean, dangerous and a deadly crime. already, one man hit so-called knockout game. that's murder. it's hard to think it could be worse even more degrading but it might be. lots of other teens know about this knockout game. they have even been interviewed laughing about it laughing like they don't get that this is wrong. instead, acting like it's funny. funny? really? they think it's funny? watch the videos on laughing gretawire. it's posted there. there is more. knockout game crime is a trend. it's growing. don't believe me two incidents last few days right here in washington, d.c. i know this is a very touchy topic because the game is regrettably popular amongst unsupervised african-american teens. no one wants to get near the topic of race. we also can't run from this one. people are getting her hurt and murdered. even those living in these

communities happening. they have a right to be safe they don't have to live in fear of having their children hurt or even poisoned by ugly peer pressure, right? this game has to be condemned. and in order for the con kepple nation of any impact whatsoever it has to come from important role models to these young teens. beg of reverend jesse jackson, reverend al shopperton and even president obama to step up right now and speak out. your silence will speak volumes. but your voice could make a big difference. don'tait. be leaders, they need you. we need you. and that's my off-the-record comment tonight. if you have an important story or issue you think i should take off-the-record go to gretawire.com and tell us about it and a single mother getting a rude awakening about obamacare. very rude. jessica sanford thought she was getting tax credit and affordable insurance plan she was is so happy she wrote president obama a fan letter and the president

giving a shotout from the rose garden. >> i i recently received a letter from a woman named jessica sanford in washington state and here is what she wrote. i am a single mom. child support. self-employed. and i haven't had insurance for 15 years because it's too expensive. my son has adhd and requires regular doctor visits and his ms meds alone cost $250 per month. i have had ongoing tendonitis problem due to my line of work that i haven't had treated. now finally we get to have coverage because of the aca for $169 per month. i was crying the other day when i signed up, so much stress lifted. now, that is not untypical for a will the of folks like jessica who have been struggling without health insurance.

that's what the affordable care ability is all about. >> but now the bad news. turns out of the washington state health exchange made a big mistake. wire reporter is here with the rest of jessica sanford's story. good evening, eric, tell me what is the rest of the story? did something happen to that great deal insurance for her? >> within just a few days of that speech in the rose garden in front of the white house, jessica sanford started to get a terrible surprise. what happened was that the washington state health exchange made a terrible mistake in its calculations. everybody who signed up for health insurance policy and purchased it with government subsidies through during the first 23 days of operation of the web site the figures were all wrong. that was just the start. not too long ago, just last week she got another letter from the state healthcare authority saying that she doesn't qualify for any subsidy whatsoever. and what that means is that suddenly she can't afford health coverage.

she is going to go without. >> so she is going to pay that $95 tax; is that right? >> she says that she has no choice. the trouble is that the insurance policies that are available under obamacare when you don't have the tax credit, they are simply too expensive. the best you can get is a bronze plan, deductibles are are so high she wouldn't be able to afford the health insurance. so, in some respects, it's a washington state problem with the problems they have got on the web site. but also it raises the question how affordable is the affordable healthcare act in the first place? >> as a side. the original mistake this is a state created exchange not a federal. believe me i'm wig to blame the federal when appropriate. besides the problem with the program that misunderstanding was originally the washington state exchange but that is pratt and apart from the affordable for her once she got through all the exchange

issues, right? >> that's right. and washington is one of the 14 states across the country that did develop its own exchange. so it's a little bit separate from the federal troubles in that respect. but, also, we do have that big uber arching national issue, too. >> how does she feel about all of this? >> she is terribly embarrassed. just think, your name is used by the president on national television. you are held up as an example of suddenly the affordable care act is going to help. suddenly the rug is yanked out from underneath you. she says while that was one of the most proudest moments of her entire life, right now she feels like crawling underneath a rock. >> well, it certainly is -- i can imagine exciting to be called out by the president from the rose garden, this is a grim answer to her. she ends up with no insurance and a tax. eric, thank you. >> thanks. >> coming up, disturbing news about the lead contractor for healthcare.gov and you thought it couldn't get worse, right? stand by, that is next.

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2004 cgi company bought american management systems, if i can get that one out o. there is more. it turns out ams has a troubled past. itwrote an unbele

story in the "the washington post." tell me healthcare.gov has problems? >> healthcare.gov not only has problems but the problems are very similar to the problems that this medicine says sore company that cgi had american management systems. ams as you said. >> what is cgi's problems? >> well, i mean the problems with healthcare.gov glitches, you know, sending out wrong information and the system is built by this predecessor company of which many executives now work at cgi had similar problems for example this ams built a computer for the philadelphia school system and it wound up sitting paychecks to dead people, to dead employees. it put in a system for the defense logistics agency and wound up shipping military parts to the wrong vendors around the country because the system had wrong information which is somewhat similar to what he would seeing now. >> did cgi come in and buy ams and clean it up in 2004

and did it clean it up. >> that's what they say. we looked into cgi's recent history as well. they have been better. they haven't had as many problems as that period. they still have had some problems as well. in fact another subsidiary of cgi which grew out of this ams was primary builder of three of the state exchanges in hawaii, colorado and investment those have had major dliches as well. >> how does cgi get these contracts? is this the best we can do? >> well, i knew upper going to ask that that's an interesting question. we don't know for sure. what we do know is that they had done a lot of work with the department of health and human services in the past. at a mum mum it seems like they knew them. they weren't always happy about their work because i wrote about another previous contract where hhs had rejected them because of performance issues in a previous contract. there is more to be told about how they got the contract. >> do they at least guarantee their work or are we paying them more when they did don't do a good job. >> that's up in the air

right now. i think we are certainly probably going to wind up paying more in the end to fix this web site. but i think at this point they are just trying to fix it and they will figure out the money later. >> are we continuing to give cgi contracts? >> cgi has gotten $2.3 billion in contracts just in the last two years. since they were awarded the obamacare contract. so, yes. whether we are going to continue to give them contracts is another story, but a lot of federal agencies have used this contractor and hired them repeated. >> i are there a lot of cgis out there for other agencies? we are hearing the horror story of this web site. >> right. >> is this just like washington? >> it's not uncommon. i mean, to have it failures. it happens. >> is it to have companies that have a history of having mistakes that we keep hiring them over and over? >> yeah. i think it has happened before. what was unusual here was when you look back at the amf period and remember former amf executives runs the cgi federal.

20 in five years was astonishing. >> thank you for being with us tonight it. see you tomorrow night at 7 p.m. eastern. o'reilly factor is next. good night from washington. welcome to "red eye." tonight -- >> coming up on "red eye." awkward fist bumping. this friendly greeting could be responsible for global warming. plus, does the white house hate people who sthings it is gross to put ketchup on hot dogs ? >> in the not too distant future we as a country will look back at this moment and pretty clearly recognize that those who oppose were wrong. >> and finally, world's tiniest man or world's largest motorcycle? our panel settles it once and for all. none of these stories on "red eye" tonight. >> let's welcome our guests. we are down with the browns. that sounds almost disgusting. down with the browns